where would you put the new york philharmonic. >> it's a great orchestra. but after, i say this three. then depends on who is the driver because even a great, great organize tra can sound not good in the hands o of-- because you know, better is the orchestra more difficult is to drive. >> yes. >> it's not the contrary. >> rose: the better the organize tra the more difficult it is for you. >> for the conductor because you have in front fantastic musicians. they know exactly what you are doing. they have because of a wonderful musician their own ideas about the experience. so the conductor has to bring the musicians to his ideas. not necessarily convincing them that this is the only possible idea. but the only good idea but it is one possible idea, so convincing that they, even with the different ideas can follow you. and you can do that not in a dictatorial way but not also begging, you know, you cannot say to a musician, excuse me, can you please give me this. even if it is a story of carlos cliver, great conductor that was a friend, great friend of mine. w